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Thursday, October 1, 2009

How Full of it are you?

Riffing off old posts from both the entire GMU econ blogosphere, as well as Menicus Moldbug, I have a proposal for determining the extent to which an individual should have their ideas taken seriously.

Shortest version:  How seriously do your ideas diverge from those of your relevant status group?

We can establish rather firmly that people are willing to hold positions for several reasons.  Among those reasons are:
  1. Group identity/status/taboo (I'd like to fit in).
  2. Rebel signalling (I'd like to stand out)
  3. Truth-thinking (I think it's right).
Of course, everyone thinks that their opinions are held for reason 3, and it will be effectively impossible to extract the differences between the reasons from a person.  How then to decided?  The question I would ask is: what opinion (in topic area X) do you have that would be most costly (to you) to reveal to your relevant peer group.

If there is none, then we are indistinguishable from opinions existing purely for group-fit reasons with no thought at all.  Hence, one can dismiss most Randians as not thinking much because their opinions diverge in no (costly) way from those of the late author.  Because they diverge in no costly way, the assumption should be that they agree for status reasons.  The same applies for most Evangelicals and most Environmentalists: they have no costly disagreements inside their groups, so should be treated as not thinking.

The difficult problem to address is distinguishing between Rebel Signalling and Truth-Telling.  This is why it's important to reference most costly disagreement, rather than biggest disagreement.  If the Environmental caucus wants their caucus-fruit to be an apple, and Bob the environmentalists takes a stand for Watermelon instead...that's low cost.   If he argues pro-nuclear power, that's medium cost.  If he argues anti-Obama, that's high cost.  And if he argues that CAFE regulations hurt the environment, he's probably kicked out of the group.  Watermelon bob might well be rebel-signalling.  Anti-CAFE Bob is thinking (whether or not he's right).

So what group are you part of, and what belief of yours is costliest to your being accepted in that group ?  (The belief cannot be a qualifier for a MORE important group:  Joe the conservative-libertarian can't impressively list opposition to the flag-burning amendment as an anti-conservative position, because it is a pro-libertarian position).

Aside:  This mechanism points at places where the wisdom of crowds should stink badly.

 My most costly position at present?  The opposition is saying something worth listening to/taking into account, and dismissing their position is universally wrong.  This effectively makes all groups dislike me.

It seems as if Megan McArdle is also in this spot.   Tyler Cowen seems to be here, but often veers into the rebel signal camp. 

3 comments:

Todd said...

This is an excellent question. It's also tough to answer, partly because my friends in meatspace are pretty uniformly liberal/progressive, so we almost always disagree on politics and I end up just looking like a rebel. In cyberspace, I'm pretty comfortable in the libertarian world and don't have too many major disagreements. There are some contentious issues like IP and monetary policy where I find myself agreeing with the Mises.org viewpoints, but I don't think that would necessarily get me kicked out of the CATO community. The closest I can come up with is mandatory vaccination/restrictions on use of antibiotics. Those are about the only non-justice/defense efforts I see as best handled by the state. I guess that makes me a sycophant. Bummer.

Aretae said...

Todd,

Mises.org + mandatory vaccination is a pretty diverse opinion set. Gonna be hard to find others who hold both. You pass. :) Even if I disagree.

Melanie said...

I think I fall somewhere in between rebellious and independent.

I have a natural tendency to argue the opposite of whatever people are saying. I just like to argue. I also think that it isn't until you have to defend a position that you really know how strong your position is.

Since I move around and travel a lot (and since I like to talk to people that have different opinions) my ideas have formed in opposition to liberals, conservatives, libertarians, socialists... you name it.

I've never been much of a group person. I'm a bit of a loner actually. I've never found a group where I felt I fit in, so I'm not sure how to answer how I disagree with "my" group.

There are a couple terms I am not hesitant to use because I feel they clearly describe what I believe. Atheist is one. Anarchist is another. Both of those terms are clear in one way (not believing in god, not believing in rulers). But both terms also encompass far too many other beliefs to be able to describe how I differ from other believers.

Ultimately, we all have our biases. But I really admire people who have open minds, so I try to be one.