Find the local homeschoolers. There are almost guaranteed to be a bunch of them, and a bunch of different groups. The online homeschool community is huge. States with friendlier homeschooling laws make it easier to find them.
Now, on to the reading list:
- Daniel Greenberg, et. al.: Free at Last, The Sudbury Valley School Experience. This is the sales job. If you don't find it beautiful...you probably don't like children. OTOH, Daniel Greenberg + Friends are genius-level experts, and they make it look MUCH easier than it is, and don't seem to address any of the factors that actually make it work (Their personal presence is a full 50% of it). I've been on the periphery of 4 other Sudbury schools, and none of them worked anywhere near as well as the original.
- John Taylor Gatto: Dumbing Us Down, others. This is the get-angry sequence. How can you even consider letting kids go to school in this circumstance? Simple...you want them to learn to be submissive...or you dismiss the book as hyperbole (it's not)....or you think you can counteract the school's pressures (hard)...or you're a genetic determinist. Not a lot of other choices.
- Maria Montessori: All of it. She thinks more deeply about teaching/learning than anyone else. If you don't understand Montessori, you don't understand learning yet. Really. The test question is: what did Montessori do that (effectively) none of the Montessori schools now do.
- Alfie Kohn: Punished By Rewards. This dude is my favorite communist. Not kidding about his being a communist, and not kidding about how important of a book this is. I don't expect most folks to quite believe him at full steam (I mostly do)...but you ought at least shift your probabilities substantially.
- Farber & Mazlish: How to Talk so Kids will listen ...... Besides being the best book ever on communicating with children, it's also the best book ever on communicating with people. And it's got cartoons.
- John Holt: How Children Fail, How Children Learn, and the rest of it. This guy shows the thought process, the learning process as you become a homeschooler. The dude rocks.
- Sigfried Englemann: Assorted. Truly the heir to Montessori in education. Let's use empirical methods to get better. Smart guy. When it comes to 88% of education theory, he and I independently arrive at the same place. Then it's implementation. I personally don't like how his stuff moves to the classroom. Though it is effective at school's nominal goal of teaching stuff, it triples down on all the bad stuff Gatto calls out. I'd kinda expect my formalist and HBD interlocutors to like him. Zig's Reading instruction book was bad for my 6yo, back when we did it...and she learned to read off the McGuffey Readers instead, much more easily. My 4yo didn't go anywhere with the McGuffey Readers in 3 months, but is doing great with Zig's book. Go figure. My now-14 yo learned to read by playing Everquest, back near 2000.
- Wise & Bauer: The Well-Trained Mind: If I wasn't an unschooler, I'd probably go in the direction of Wise and Bauer. But I'm a sucker for the classics, and if I hadn't been such a math geek, I'd have considered St. Johns Great Books program for college.
- Michael Strong: The Habit of Thought. I'd actually go read his website's education section too...but he's politically awfully close to me, and thinks similarly about education...so I may be biased. Again, Engagement and 10 School Designs are excellent if you're thinking about education.
- Taking Children Seriously . This will screw with your head. It's brilliant. It has deep, important, partial truths. And these folks take "children are people" more seriously than ANYONE else. I don't expect anyone to take 100% of these folks' position. But if you read them and don't learn something, you're in denial.
- Motivation wins. This is a pure unschooler position. It's also mostly where I sit. Provide a rich environment, and offer options.
- Coercion is bad. This is also a pure unschooler position, and where more unschoolers sit. They're not all libertarians though, which confuses me to no end. Done well, it's beautiful. Done poorly, it's passive-aggressive crap. Everyone doing it thinks they do it well. They're not all right. I'm largely here, but imperfect in practice.
- School is bad. This is where a bunch of unschoolers sit. This crowd has taken to calling themselves "radical unschoolers"...and often this means they don't actively help their kids learn things the kids have interests in. I'm not so keen on this. They haven't read enough Montessori.
- Schools is ineffective. This is not uncommon either. If you want your child to have an education, it clearly won't happen at any reasonable pace in the schools (even most of the "good" ones), and so keeping them at home can allow them to actually learn something. Most common path here is Well Trained Mind. I reached this position somewhere near 16 (vowing to never send my kids to this useless of an institution)...and stayed for a couple years before moving to 1+2.
- School is corrupting. John Gatto pushes this, though the anti-competition left and the religious right agree as well. Also those folks who live near schools with drug/violence issues that they know about. These folks care about their kids, and prefer that they not be exposed to drugs and violence on a daily basis. Education is an aside....but they usually try to follow some curriculum or other.
- School is bad for MY child. About 1/2 of this is overprotective parents. Almost all of it is correct. I've seen kids come out for medical reasons, special needs reasons, racist teachers, and a dozen others. Usually, they have no plan.
- The State corrupts school. Libertarian lunatics like me think that one of the biggest problems with education is that it's run by the state. If you're going to be a principled libertarian, you can't very well let your kids go to public schools. If you have more than a couple kids, you're not power-earning, and one of the parents likes kids for real, it may well be cheaper to homeschool than to private-school. The formal manifesto is here.
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"This crowd has taken to calling themselves "radical unschoolers"...and often this means they don't actively help their kids learn things the kids have interests in. I'm not so keen on this."
The radical unschoolers I've come across, just take unschooling and apply it to all aspects of child rearing - food choice, bedtime choice, non-coercion as best as possible in all areas.
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They definitely help their kids persue their interests, and strew stuff they think their kids will be interested in. The problem is that anyone can grab a label and run with it. I'm most familiar with the Sandra Dodd radical unschooler, and admittedly, she doesn't like the term radical thrown in front of unschooler, but she is effectively living (or was when her kids were school age) as a radical unschooler as I understand the terminology.
PS - I know your wife had a bad experience with those connected with Sandra Dodd, but she may be remembering incorrectly, as the person she remembered being so pissed at for disregarding the daughter's needs for the son's desires doesn't even have a son.
Freedom,
I had no intent of saying that all folks who call themselves radical unschoolers are in the "what's so special about learning" camp. On the other hand, ALL the homeschoolers in the "what's so special about learning" camp call themselves radical unschoolers. At least, they do in Chicago.
Does that clarify?
By the "what's so special about learning" camp, you mean people who will not help their kids pursue their interests?
I don't think I've ever run across an unschooler nor radical unschooler who would not help their kids pursue their interests. You have a weird crowd in Chicago.
Aretae, thanks for that brain dump. I'll be forwarding this on to the wife, as well.
Embarrassingly, I haven't read any of those - though I know my wife has read at least a couple, perhaps more.
This is all going on the reading list - and I'm sure it will have deep and lasting effects on how we go about homeschooling.
But, my question was actually more on the lines of what are you actually using to teach your kids. From your earlier posts on education, I know that I agree pretty much across the board on educational philosophy - at least to the extent that you've explained it.
My wife was a teacher in the public schools - and we've worked to eliminate school-for-the-point-of-school type activities as much as possible. She agrees with me in the abstract, but has had to make some real effort to unlearn her public school teaching habits.
Of course, we are constrained somewhat by the requirements to show progress to the state.
So I was curious as to a bit of the nitty-gritty, the actual tools and curricula you've found/created/adapted to cram the 'larnin into the kids.
I'll be busy for a while on that list...
I’m wondering if the ‘inquiry method’ from Michael Strong is analogous to Aretae’s ‘feedback’ rule. It seems to have the same non-hierarchical, don’t know where you are going, try stuff out and see if it works feel to it.
That Alfie Kohn book is good, but I learned the same in a more direct way from a behavioural dog training book. E.g. if you have a cat who jumps on a table, start rewarding the behavior. You can turn it into a trick. Then stop rewarding the behaviour and voila, the cat stops jumping on the table. It works great to eliminate spontaneous learning, too. “Why would I learn that? It’s not in the exam.”
That ‘Taking Children Seriously’ site is one crazy place. Maybe a couple of weird threads messed up my view. The thread on video games is full of comments from kids saying how great video games are. Their John Holt flame wasn’t helpful, it seemed more like a rant. Do they ever describe what it is they do?
Thanks for the recs. A couple of the books are flying my way, hope you get some referral fees.
Brent,
1. I'll grant you that the TCS folks are crazy. No objection. But there's a truth to be gained from them...and it's hard to find anywhere else...and just stating it doesn't work for comprehension. Monkeybrains get in the way.
I hope you enjoy.
Sarah Fitz-Claridge is, IIRC, the smartest of the bunch...or at least the most eloquent.
After you're comfy with the other stuff on the list... then read TCS for a while.
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