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Monday, April 18, 2011

Moral Foundations + Authority

Some Formalists/Reactionaries/Conservatives I read (I think Foseti, but don't have the specific link) have argued a position a lot like: pluralism and freedom are largely incompatible. I effectively agree, but for different reasons.

All (+/- 3%)persons have strong feelings about the 6 moral foundations.
  1. Desert matters (Fairness/Reciprocity)-- A person getting rich off hurting others is bad. A good person suffering is also bad. A person with no special value getting a $3B inheritance is unfairly advantaged.
  2. Be nice (Harm/Care) -- Someone in the ingroup getting hurt is bad. Taking care of them is good.
  3. Teams matter (Ingroup/Loyalty) -- This one is the Dark side of deep human ethics. Advance the ingroup over the outgroup.
  4. They should defer (Authority/Respect) -- DO NOT dis the ingroup. Show that you're in the ingroup, by respecting the proper symbols/people.
  5. Taboo (Purity/Sanctity) -- You can't be in the ingroup unless you are disgusted by some things.
  6. Freedom (Liberty/Constraint) -- Ingroup folks should not be told what to do any more than strictly necessary.
My claim is that In homogenous groups, Freedom, Harm/Care, and Fairness win the day as a pure empirical ethics discussion. Once you add heterogenous groups, then the Ingroup stuff takes over...and notions of Freedom and Fairness are swamped by notions of protecting the Ingroup over the outgroup.

4 comments:

Gyan said...

Is your claim empirical?

Aretae said...

Empirical how?

Are the 6 foundations empirical? yes. Jon Haidt.

Are the foundations expressed quite differently between ingroup and outgroup? Very. And empirically so.

Do I have statistical controls on the homogenous nordic countries and their uber-liberalism vs. massively more outgroup focus for everywhere else? I don't have the numbers, but it looks awful good from here.

Gyan said...

Plenty other societies are homogeneous without being ultra-liberal. Consider North Korea and ancient Hebrews

Aretae said...

Gyan,

Sure, they're more homogenous. North Korea is hard to argue as a non-redistributive state. Seems to match my ingroup/outgroup line quite well. My expertise on the ancient Hebrews is weak...but modern Kibbutzes are pretty clearly what I'm talking about.